tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post2386275842961885227..comments2024-02-13T13:38:54.964+03:00Comments on Kenya Democracy Project: In Defence of Ambassador KiplagatKenya Democracy Projecthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10426575211492118795noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-57411107460402559952010-02-23T12:28:32.660+03:002010-02-23T12:28:32.660+03:00The human rights groups are committing the greates...The human rights groups are committing the greatest hypocrisy - for years they have fought against detention without trial, and here they have the audacity to be judge and jury against Amb. Kiplagat, without even a shred of evidence against him. As shown all their accusations can so easily be disproven. What a shame for our country, that we tear down the good people. For someone who has spent hisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-71043909960033518522010-02-12T20:43:19.536+03:002010-02-12T20:43:19.536+03:00in all fairness, considering the uproar from those...in all fairness, considering the uproar from those human rights bodies<br /><br />this kiplagats saga is indeed and should be perhaps the first case heard by the TJRC<br /><br />i.e amb kiplagat must be given opportunity to stand up in that dock dont know the term for whoever those people will be called upon by TJRC either as victims or perpetrators and present his case be it as a victim of the tnknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-1265450574442124232010-02-12T16:26:05.377+03:002010-02-12T16:26:05.377+03:00Thank you for your very eloquent defence of Amb. K...Thank you for your very eloquent defence of Amb. Kiplagat and more fundamentally in defence of every Kenya's right to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. <br /><br />Kenya, must return to the rule of law and not the rule of mob justice! <br /><br />Is that not what CSO's puport to dedicate themselves to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-37176587357183558322010-02-11T16:55:12.642+03:002010-02-11T16:55:12.642+03:00Gladwell:
Thanks for the feedback. I stand correc...Gladwell:<br /><br />Thanks for the feedback. I stand corrected. I have modified the essay to reflect your input.<br /><br />Onyango OlooKenya Democracy Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10426575211492118795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-67052107973987632792010-02-11T16:37:34.569+03:002010-02-11T16:37:34.569+03:00Thanks for an insightful piece Oloo.
One correcti...Thanks for an insightful piece Oloo. <br />One correction, KPTJ has not developed a common position on Kiplagat, so we have not as a collective called for Kiplagat to go, even though individual members have done so. Amongst other things for the very reasons you mention on the importance of the collection and validation of historical truth by the TJRC, which may otherwise not happen if we throw Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-27174815216925996482010-02-11T15:01:04.084+03:002010-02-11T15:01:04.084+03:00Oloo
My integrity does not allow me to re-join Ju...Oloo<br /><br />My integrity does not allow me to re-join Jukwaa. Let your Luo comrades knock themselves over in there. My objective was to give you my mind, that is now achieved.<br /><br />Rest assured, I will endeavour to remind you at any given occasion the treatment you meted on me at Jukwaa. The truth of the matter is that you are a hypocrite, and will remain so.<br /><br />SadikAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-33991371022358706022010-02-11T11:13:36.831+03:002010-02-11T11:13:36.831+03:00Thank you very much for the detailed insight regar...Thank you very much for the detailed insight regarding Ambassador Kiplagat. I am one of the few Kenyans who have interacted with him. I was actually involved in planning the debate at the Professional Centre and another meeting in Mathare which Ambassador attended. I am a grassroot community organizer and I have a realized that there is a big dis-connect between civil society agenda and that of Mathare Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05285647896471678011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-89250318391574026892010-02-11T10:45:29.197+03:002010-02-11T10:45:29.197+03:00Your analysis is what was missing in public discou...Your analysis is what was missing in public discourse on TJR. <br />With or without Kiplagat, Kenya needs TJR process like yesterday.<br />What CSOs and all others who think Kiplagat is an ampedement to The TJR process need to do is make it more accountable. Accountable to the public. If we made anyone of those calling for his resignation the chair, could they do better than Kiplagat?! Are they Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557947644474072321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-68914329387039016142010-02-11T10:40:06.195+03:002010-02-11T10:40:06.195+03:00Thanks for those comments. Really appreciate the k...Thanks for those comments. Really appreciate the kind words. Since there are stand alone interventions, there is really nothing to add.<br /><br />Sadik:<br /><br />Greetings. I am pretty sure you could have found another forum to address your concerns about Jukwaa-certainly not on a thread on Ambassador Kiplagat. I did directly address at the Jukwaa forum and you chose not to respond- instead Kenya Democracy Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10426575211492118795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-1069759489903322092010-02-11T08:53:27.028+03:002010-02-11T08:53:27.028+03:00That is quite an insight to realities we all know ...That is quite an insight to realities we all know and identify deep within ourselves. It is the case of 'who throws the stone first', who is genuine. I want to believe that the arguement is and should not be on whether Kiplagat is fit, but rather that we have an opportunity to contribute to a national process. Amb. Kiplagat may have what it takes but without the credibility(which has Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910541013256307117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-330808279056277832010-02-11T05:58:22.046+03:002010-02-11T05:58:22.046+03:00Ndu Onyango,
When I worked at the Ministry of For...Ndu Onyango,<br /><br />When I worked at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in 1982, there were two civil servants whom we respected for their integrity, and forthrightness - Bethwel Kiplagat and Simeon Nyachae. They were the only ones who told the government (read Biwott) that it could not break the law at the expense of the common good of the Kenyan citizens.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00156951988773689594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-46418436576140358862010-02-10T18:01:10.141+03:002010-02-10T18:01:10.141+03:00Kiplagat cannot bring genuine healing to Kenya. He...Kiplagat cannot bring genuine healing to Kenya. He is already too compromised. In fact the chairman shouldn't be Kenyan. Kiplagat, Kenya is bigger than you...please step down honorably.Injerazhttp://blog.jaluo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-30806301726715407262010-02-10T17:53:32.354+03:002010-02-10T17:53:32.354+03:00Onyango Oloo
When i read your piece on Bethwel Ki...Onyango Oloo<br /><br />When i read your piece on Bethwel Kiplagat, and came across strong argument like the 'lynch-mob', I am minded to remind you that you led the same on me at Jukwaa.<br /><br />Are you not the person who spearheaded my unilateral condemnation in Jukwaa inquisition calling me tribalist in your Luo-led Kangaroo court until I left? Where was your 'evidence' Sadikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03690913679918872530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-60337875991670084712010-02-10T17:44:38.533+03:002010-02-10T17:44:38.533+03:00I agree with most of your assessement. My experien...I agree with most of your assessement. My experience of dealings with Kiplagat is that he has a strong integrity and has achieved some remarkable things. Having witnessed members of the Civil Society movement sit down to discuss collaboration with him last year and then only a few months later begin a campaign of villification is quite amazing.<br /><br />Another crucial difference between Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-65875176536706194322010-02-10T17:42:51.381+03:002010-02-10T17:42:51.381+03:00Thanks Onyango Oloo for going deep in analysing th...Thanks Onyango Oloo for going deep in analysing the Kiplagat saga,i think most of we civil society organisations have lost direction and they are hell bent to make sure they are relevant even if they have nothing to say.Its high time we stop focusing on personality but on the issue before hand.<br />Thanks OlooUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433964281281909800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7580943.post-55080402921355583982010-02-10T17:20:49.014+03:002010-02-10T17:20:49.014+03:00OO.
Thank you for your willngness and openess and...OO.<br /><br />Thank you for your willngness and openess and even to put your life in the line to let the whole community understand more about Ab. Kiplagat.<br />KarogiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com